Everyone will have health care as a “fundamental right” …. Or Else

Americans would be fined up to $3,800 for failing to buy health insurance under a plan that circulated in Congress on Tuesday…..

…..That’s according to a bipartisan compromise bill by Senator Max Baucus (D-Montana) that surfaced yesterday.

The Baucus plan would require insurers to take all applicants, regardless of age or health. But smokers could be charged higher premiums. And 60-year-olds could be charged five times as much for a policy as 20-year-olds.

Just as auto coverage is now mandatory in nearly all states, Baucus would require that all Americans get health insurance once the system is overhauled.

Penalties for failing to do so would start at $750 a year for individuals and $1,500 for families. Households making more than three times the federal poverty level — about $66,000 for a family of four — would face the maximum fines. For families, it would be $3,800, and for individuals, $950.

This is kinda what I thought all along.  The grand plan to provide “health care for every citizen as a fundamental right” is really a requirement that everybody buys insurance coverage.  I guess some would qualify for some kind of assistance to buy the insurance, that is after the government gains access to bank accounts and records to see who qualifies, enforced by payroll deduction.

Question:  What if the fine is less than the premiums?

I can see scores of people who would be under the radar, and as a practical matter, they would still not have insurance and they would still be showing up at emergency rooms for care.  Maybe they would be “caught” when they did though and at that time assessed the fines.

Question:  How would the fines be enforced?  What would be the penalty for not paying the fines?

No wonder nobody wants to give any details.  And Obama cannot possibly give the details in his speech tonight because there really are no details because there is no bill – yet.

If a bill is passed, you can bet it will be some hodge podge that nobody has had time to read and who knows what will be in it.

And so what if 75% of Americans are satisfied with their health insurance!

Eeegads.  The government is coming to help you.  Run for your life.

P. S.:  BUT the Baucus plan does not have a public option.  The fight is on among the democrats.

Posted:  09.09.09

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Filed under Barack Obama, health care, Human Interest, life, politics, President Barack Obama, Uncategorized

20 responses to “Everyone will have health care as a “fundamental right” …. Or Else

  1. Ms. M

    yeah & the special interests (ins companies) are not behind this! our collective butts their not…….

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  2. We were discussing the Baucus’s plan this morning so 950 dollars a year for an individual, and 3,800 for a family if they don’t buy health insurance. They call it a penalty but I think what it is – is to reimburse the rest of us for the health care they get, and won’t pay for. Remember the emergency rooms won’t turn anyone away regardless of ability to pay. The problem with this Baucus plan, the people who use the emergency room the most for their health care are people illegally in the country, and this won’t have them paying in because they are not in the system. So we all will still be paying for illegal immigrants to get health care, that their own third world country of origin won’t cover them for. I think this is what Romney enacted in the People’s Republic of Massachusetts. The word is they are going broke, probably because of “crowd out” which isn’t a secret. The small Insurance companies cannot compete with the Federal Government Public Option aka Fannie and Freddie Med…they say Fannie and Freddie now own the paper on 56% of private property in this country. So the Federal Government is helping the huge corporations including big Insurance companies SEE A.I.G. This is called FASCISM.

    I do think there might be a Constitutional challenge to mandatory health care insurance. They keep using the mandatory auto insurance as a comparison….we are not all born with a car 🙂 driving is a privilege….but you come into the world with a body that’s nature, now the U.S. government wants to tax you for existing? Where is the Life, “Liberty” and Pursuit of Happiness? Same goes for cap and trade, and a carbon tax, we exhale carbon so are we going to get a regressive tax for breathing?

    Am I the only one who sees the over reaching by our elected officials? We have three branches of Government, how many of these Progressive led bills, will pass the Constitutional Test?

    I think “2010” Should be the American Taxpayers Battle Cry.

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  3. Ms. M

    Ree, kinda like some representation for all this taxation? hehehe

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  4. bellalu0

    I wonder how they think they will get the money for the fine. I guess the IRS will be charged with extracting the money, but it’s going to be massive. First of all, the insurance has to pass inspection. Secondly, will they garnishee wages? Maybe a debtors prison will be in order. And all of this will be against Citizens. The illegals will still get out scott free.

    I don’t know. I can’t even take in all the possible ramifications. What is in place now is very small compared to what they want to do. It will take a lot of new departments and a lot of employees to operate it, and just think of the fraud that will be possible.

    If you have a family with an income of just over the $66,000 a year (which isn’t very much really) and they make just a little bit too much to get assistance with the premiums, they won’t be able to buy the insurance NOR pay the penalty of $3,800 a year. They will be worse off than they are now.

    It will be interesting to see how many lies will be told tonight. I can’t see him doing much more than he has so far, just swinging his head back and forth, lying through his teeth.

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  5. bellalu0

    Maybe the best solution will be to quit your job, take on a new identity and pretend to be a Mexican. lol

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  6. Bella, MsM,

    We should be able to come up with many bumper stickers the bureaucrats are making it pretty easy. Why would I trust these people with issuing my dog a license, let alone crafting health care coverage?

    These are the baby boomers doing in the baby boomers, what is the largest group retiring at record numbers who need health care coverage? Some of those folks have been life long Democrats. I wonder how they are feeling about their party turning on them now. It’s true what Obama said, that Grandma isn’t going to have the plug pulled on her…Grandma is NEVER going to be plugged in.

    If I can get if for free why would I work for it? “crowd out” and why would my neighbor work for it to subsidize me? Socialism is a great idea until you run out of other people’s money.

    The tea parties are really drawing huge crowds. Of course if you ask Pelosi or Reid, they are AstroTurf. That is some impressive AstroTurf. Detroit area had record numbers turn out.

    http://teapartyexpress.wordpress.com/

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  7. Mel

    From Drudge: OBAMA HAS NOT INVITED REPUBLICAN LEADERS TO WHITE HOUSE FOR HEALTH CARE TALKS — SINCE APRIL…
    President tries to build mo’ for health push…

    I don’t love paying out the rear for health insurance but it’s worth it to me to be in charge of my life. If only they’d do two small things…NO free healthcare for illegals and Tort Reform. I do also like the idea of catastrophic insurance where you can’t lose everything in the event something terrible happens.

    The fact that they won’t even consider these things proves it’s corrupt, that all they want to do is control us and the greedy will get richer.

    Why can’t they focus on JOBS!! A third of my family is out of work right now.

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  8. Mel

    I’m not going to make the Tea Party on Saturday…friend of mine died at 42 and her Memorial is at 2. I learned a tough lesson..stay in touch w/ friends and loved ones.

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  9. The Populist wave is going to hit Washington and they are in deep denial anyone check out Nancy Pelosi smiling like a maniac after visiting with the President yesterday? I think she was trying to prove she could still smile despite botox addiction. The MSM is ignoring the tea parties, this isn’t going to end well when they hit D.C. September 12th the day after 9/11.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/michael-m-bates/2009/09/08/chicago-tribune-ignores-thousands-tea-party-express-protest

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  10. Mel

    FROM BROWSHIRTS TO GREENSHIRTS –
    From 3/12/09

    VAN JONES HAS BEEN APPOINTED BY BARACK OBAMA TO BE HIS SPECIAL ADVISER ON GREEN JOBS. HE WILL BE OBAMA’S GREEN CZAR. WHAT MOST PEOPLE DON’T KNOW, HOWEVER, IS THAT VAN JONES HAS A BACKGROUND AS A STREET RADICAL. AFTER GROWING UP IN RURAL TENNESSEE AND GETTING A LAW DEGREE FROM THE WHITE LIBERALS AT YALE, VAN JONES BEGAN HIS CAREER OF AGITATION IN SAN FRANCISCO. HE STARTED A GROUP CALLED POLICE WATCH, A GROUP WHICH HAS SYSTEMATICALLY HARASSED THE POLICE OF THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA. USING VIDEO CAMERAS, PROTESTS, LAWSUITS, ETC, VAN JONES FOUGHT TO PREVENT THE POLICE FROM PROTECTING US AGAINST THE SCUM OF SOCIETY. HE HAD POLICEMEN FIRED, HE’S RUINED LIVES, AND HE’S MADE US ALL MORE VULNERABLE TO STREET GANGS.

    BUT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, IT SEEMS, VAN JONES HAS MOVED ON TO A DIFFERENT CON GAME – THE ENVIRONMENT. HE STARTED SOMETHING CALLED THE GREEN COLLAR JOBS CAMPAIGN, WHICH TRIES, AS HE CLAIMS, TO “CREATE GREEN PATHWAYS OUT OF POVERTY.” IN OTHER WORDS, CONNING PEOPLE ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING HAS BECOME MORE PROFITABLE THAN HARRASSING THE POLICE.

    AND NOW BARACK OBAMA HAS BROUGHT HIM ON AS PART OF THE TEAM. HIS BACKGROUND DOVETAILS PERFECTLY WITH OBAMA’S PLANS. YOU’VE HEARD OBAMA BEFORE TALKING ABOUT STARTING A “CIVILIAN NATIONAL SECURITY FORCE” SEPARATE FROM THE MILITARY. BUT I’VE TOLD YOU BEFORE THAT OBAMA IS GETTING READY TO ORGANIZE AN ARMY OF GREENSHIRTS. AND GIVEN VAN JONES’ BACKGROUND IN STREET AGITATION, HE SEEMS LIKE THE PERFECT PERSON TO DO IT.

    Michael Savage wrote in March and posted in IT. Glenn Beck is always stealing his stuff but who cares as long as the creep is gone. I’m happy more people are paying attention.

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  11. bellalu0

    I heard some liberal woman say this morning it was just so horrible about all the disinformation, misleading people. (She was one of the high and mighty women who went after Imus but I can’t rember her name)

    Well, take a listen to this if you want to hear some disinformation – more like a pack of lies.

    At about 4:47 = bragging about what all he has done – since he took office. What an arrogant Ahole.

    See the video below.

    They are desperate: One guy said “What would Jesus do?” about health care. Another said “it is a moral stain on our country.” I don’t want to say too much about what Jesus would do but he would probably say “get out of my face, I don’t know you.”

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  12. Ms. M

    well we know all about the MSM, starting with the Imus lynching….the only thing I got to say is thank God for the internet & Youtube….the message is getting out & will get out in Washington even if the MSM doesn’t cover it…me thinks 1/2 to 1 million people are going to converge & don’t be surprised if trouble is NOT started deliberately so as to call in swat teams to quell the rowdy masses….then you’ll see MSM covering riots….i will re-inerate amu incumbant republican that signs onto this shit, can count on committinig political suicide…..if not we have NOT LEARNED A THING!

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  13. Mel

    Sarah Palin won’t shut up…must be driving the left nuts today.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574400581157986024.html

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  14. Obama Health-Care Speech Bingo. Doug Powers is going to live blog for Michelle Malkin. Obama’s speech tonight, there are some fun games like Lying Blinking Pelosi drinking game 🙂

    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/09/obama-speech-tailgate-party-bohica-prep/

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  15. Mel

    Here are the highlights..he’ll be fear mongering again which is how he got the Stimulus passed. It’s so ridiculou to say the defict will grow w/out govt healthcare, a downright lie

    OBAMA FEAR: ‘MORE WILL DIE’ IF WE DO NOTHING…
    ‘DEFICIT WILL GROW. MORE FAMILIES WILL GO BANKRUPT. MORE BUSINESSES WILL CLOSE’…
    SYSTEM ‘AT BREAKING POINT’…
    ‘TIME FOR GAMES HAS PASSED’…

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  16. Ms. M

    WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU TRIPPED OVER A CORPSE IN THE STREET? Now that would constitute a crisis to me….this “CRISIS” is like every other “CRISIS”…..its BULLSHIT…..

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  17. Ms. M

    just turned on my tv, Pelosi, ain’t smiling, she looks like a survivor from hitlers’ death camps….not kidding she looks bad….

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  18. bellalu0

    Somebody said You Lie. Who was it?

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  19. Ms. M

    Bella, keep tuned in, I hope the media will release that info…going to go play cards!

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